Friday, May 2, 2008
A selected posting on Daily Paul from Oklahoma's RJ Harris
Posted April 16th, 2008 by RJ Harris
We, the Oklahoma Ron Paul Meet-up Group Leaders, are currently in negotiations to have Ron Paul or one of his nationally recognized supporters attend our state convention!!! Please, make plans now to come the Republican Convention this May 3rd in Tulsa and help Ron Paul, and your fellow Oklahomans, make history! The Presidential and Vice Presidential nomination season of 2008 is not over yet…not by a long shot!
If you are an RP supporter in OK and a registered Republican then go to the Oklahoma Republican Party web site now and find out who your county Chair is and call that person today asking to be made a delegate to the state convention this May 2nd and 3rd. With your help we are going to take back this county one district at a time, one county at a time, and one state at a time. The following link will provide you with more information on the convention, on who your county chairperson is, and how to contact them so you can get on the delegate list for the State Convention. Additionally, this link will allow you to register for the convention once you have got yourself on the delegate list. http://www.okgop.com/
The following link will help you make accommodations if you want to stay in Tulsa overnight and participate in the Friday nights events as well. http://by108w.bay108.mail.../
If your county chair wont put you on the delegate list…register for the convention anyway! We will move then to suspend the rules if they try and continue some of the underhanded exclusionary tricks they have employed at the district conventions. Once we get past that vote we can move to include the delegates that the establishment republicans may have tried to disenfranchise.
Anyhow, we will be carpooling to Tulsa on Friday night and Saturday morning. If you leave Saturday morning you will have to leave by about 6:00 AM. If you leave on Friday night you may have to get a motel or stay with friends or family. We are currently working on getting Tulsa RP supporters to offer a spare bedroom or living room floor so people can throw down a sleeping bag.
If you need to carpool call Les White at 405-627-5488 or email him at lesdwhite@cox.net and he will pair people together. Remember to tell him if you are wanting to leave Friday night and if you will need a place to stay that night or if you want to leave Saturday morning. There is no need to spend anymore money on gas than necessary.
In case you have been out of the political loop of late you will be excited to hear that Ron Paul supporters have been getting elected to delegate positions all over the country. “Why?” you may ask is this important to you? Because according to even the most basic government text book, presidential candidates have to be just as good turning out the delegates as they are at turning out the primary voters or else their chances of gaining their parties nomination are in jeopardy. In Oklahoma we have managed to take several national delegate seats and we still have the state convention yet to go with 46 more At-Large delegates still up for grabs. Oklahoma Ron Paul meet-up group members/organizers like Les White, Brady Wright, Ryan Underwood, Sandie Crosnoe, Kaye Beach and Myself have been fighting like lions to turn out Ron Paul supporters to various conventions for the purpose of winning delegate seats, getting true conservative resolutions back on the platform, and getting neo-con resolution items voted off of the platform.
When the Republican Party was born it only took two attempts to get our nominee (Abraham Lincoln) elected. Sadly, there were people at that time willing tear our country apart so that they could continue to benefit from the enslavement of others. Ironic that we, the Ron Paul Republicans, have figured out that the slave masters never left us and have returned under the standard of the modern banking system—only this time their goal is the enslavement of everyone, not just one race among us. However, we know today, just like President Lincoln did, that this country and our freedoms are still WORTH FIGHTING FOR…Freedom from debt slavery, freedom from tyranny of the majority, freedom from un-warranted surveillance of our private lives by the ruling class just to name a few.
As was the case in Lincolns day, the suppressors of liberty today are not going to give up of their own account; they also must be fought. Fought at the ballot box and on the internet and fought anywhere else a true patriot can find someone else willing to listen to the truth. The time for apathy and inaction is over, now is the time to fight in the arena of ideas for what you believe. Its time to for us to fight to change our local Republican Platform and to fight to get local Ron Paul candidates—like Les White district 45 (Norman)—elected. Its time to give your state and your country just one day in your life this May 3rd to vote for Ron Paul Delegates to the National Republican Convention.
It is not too late to get Congressman Ron Paul elected President (or Vice President since it is the delegates at the convention that pick the vice) Win or lose on the national stage this cycle, we can still certainly take back our local republican party from the neo-cons and then we will see that when the next election cycle comes around it will be Constitutional Ron Paul Republicans who are chairing all the Republican Committees in Oklahoma and picking all the candidates for local, state, and federal positions! Its time to throw out the liberal republicans (rhinos) that have ruined the Party of Lincoln. It is time to take your place in the line of patriots stretching back to the founders and help SAVE THE REPUBLIC!
LET FREEDOM RING!
RJ Harris
Norman Meet-Up Assistant Organizer
rjjharris@hotmail.com
PS Don't forget that in many states if you can take over the party majority, you may be able to vote to unbind your delegates!
PSS Remember also that the National Convention Delegates must approve the presumptive nominee's choice for Vice President. If we get enough delegates to the convention we can have a real voice on this important issue.
PSSS check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DN-fhY96p0 WARNING there is one obscene word in the audio but please listen anyway because if it does not motivate you to take the torch of liberty being offered to you and to help win back your freedom…I don’t know what else will.
PSSSS If you are a Ron Paul campaign official, or the man himself, please come, or send one of your trusted supporters, to this convention. I know Brady Wright and or Kirk Shelly is already talking to you about this and if he has not already said it; I will. We are an inch away from wining this state for you, won’t you help us get that last inch?
Nevada - GOP Convention Process Defended - Video and more detailed story included.
From KOLO TV News Channel 8
Reno, Nevada
Video and more detailed story included. The following is an excerpt from the end of the story:
"As the convention opened on Saturday, delegates cheered as former presidential hopeful Mitt Romney urged support for McCain - but later in the day Paul got even louder applause as he delivered his message of individual freedom and fiscal responsibility.
Romney, who trounced all other Republican contenders by getting 52 percent in Nevada's precinct straw polls, said his job now is to make sure McCain wins the presidency. In the January straw polling, McCain and Paul split a quarter of the votes."
Thursday, May 1, 2008
More Reports from Oklahoma: Oklahoma GOP State Platform
Some of the more prominant changes are mentioned in an e-mail:
Blogmaster: Have a great day, while thinking of the fact that a state GOP managed to get a self-conflicting platform put together which does away with supporting any allies or spying capabilities. Word has it that they also killed a plank that would have supported the Fair Tax, which enjoys the support of both of the state's Senators and 4 of their 5 Congressmen. Apparently, they don't want the IRS, but they also don't want the Fair Tax!I forgot to mention to you that they also succeeded in inserting a plank to oppose all foreign aid. Here's what it says, verbatim:
"6. We oppose any transfer of wealth from the US taxpayers to any foreign governments, usually referred to as foreign aid." Page 18
That's in direct conflict with this, which is right above it:
"2. We should support Israel politically, economically, geographically and militarily." Page 18
...and, I would say that it's also in direct conflict, with this one, which is below it:
"10. We support policies that protect all U.S. allies." Page 19
...and of course there's this lovely gem from page 20:
"11. We affirm the other provisions enumerated in the Bill of Rights, including the right to due process and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, nor should private property be taken for public use without just compensation. Therefore, we oppose the Patriot Act and call for its repeal."
They're saying that the Ron Paul people are intending to show out at the Oklahoma State GOP Convention in Tulsa on Saturday, May 3rd, especially after having seen the outcome of the results in Nevada. By all appearances, these people do not see the STARK difference between John McCain and these 2 socialist Democrat Presidential Candidates who are both greatly in favor of partial birth abortion (which is simply infanticide), or if they do see it, they don't care about the party unity that will be needed by the GOP in order to defeat these most historically liberal of all liberal Presidential Candidates. Perhaps they're too blinded by their zeal to have power of their own, in some fashion, to see that the need to defeat these liberal kooks is great and very serious (an actual life and death matter for many children).
Nev. GOP recesses state convention, angering Paul supporters
Outnumbered supporters of expected Republican presidential nominee John McCain faced off Saturday against well-organized Paul support ers. A large share of the more than 1,300 state convention delegates enabled Paul supporters to get a rule change positioning them for more national convention delegate slots than expected.
"I've seen factions walk out. I've never seen a party walk out," said Jeff Greenspan, regional coordinator for the Paul campaign.
Delegates cheered earlier in the day as former presidential hopeful Mitt Romney urged support for McCain. Later, though, Paul got even louder applause as he delivered his message of individual freedom and fiscal responsibility.
State Sen. Bob Beers, the convention chairman, was booed loudly as he called for a recess Saturday evening. He said that the party's rental contract for a big meeting room at a Reno hotel-casino had expired and there was too much work left to complete.
State GOP Chairwoman Sue Lowden said the rules change wasn't anticipated. She denied any anti-Paul bias, saying expected slates of national delegates were prepared through a fair and open process by the convention's nominations committee and the party thought the convention would accept them.
Steve Parent is a Democrat who is assisting Paul's supporters to overthrow the GOP
Publisher's note: This was originally posted on a Ron Paul support website. Dr. Parent was an administrator for the Democratic party for over 6 years and well educated in the nomination process. He left the party to support Dr. Paul. While this is clearly an article that supports Ron Paul for President, it is also important information that most of us are unaware of - because Republican contests rarely get to this stage.
Written by Dr. Steve Parent
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
Even if you support McCain for President, you should be aware of this process. These are the facts of the GOP nomination process.
Our founding fathers set the system up like this to assure that there would not have false or fraudulent support for a candidate thus forcing THE PEOPLE to become involved in the election process and to show actual support for thier candidate.
They wanted to make sure they would protect us from VOTE FRAUD and to make sure that a candidate did not win a beauty contest but instead win an election.
Any candidate and their supporters can do exactly what we are doing if they chose to do so and i am sure from the reports we have received that Mccain does not have real support or he would have the delegates he needs registered as delegates to vote for him in the up coming convention.
If you doubt my post go and research it yourself PLEASE here :
http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf
I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry. I am going to go into some depth of how this all works so read and then read again if you need to.
Did you know that the delegates can actually vote to unbind thier delegates that are bound by state rules? Did you know that delegates can actually overturn and previous vote? Did you know the delegates have control of the entire process?
The main stream media is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop getting your info from them.
I know many of you are bummed about Dr. Paul not getting more votes in the states popular vote BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS: Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.
First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain now has 906 delegates now but he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 906 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.
Normally, Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the Ron Paul campaign strategy will work?
When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are
virtual delegates.
What do I mean by virtual delegates? A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates.
The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll). Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans. In Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.
View the hard count of actaul pledged delegates here : http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R.phtml
And we have lots of delegates.
Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September:
463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.
565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot. After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.
383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here: http://www.gop.com/Images/AllStateSummaries.pdf
Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules. Now do you see how we can win this thing?
So what happens now you ask?
You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. These delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.
This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.
The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008.
So what does this all mean?
This means that all of the people that registered to become a delegate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said. Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.
Now I assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states, WE DID PICK UP MORE DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes, they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.
Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?
NO THIS IS NOT TRUE - people were just confused on how it actually works.
We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.
Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.
The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.
Blogmaster: 4 days later, Dr. Parent also posted on 16 March a similar posting with even greater detail, including the following:
"...we can control some states and unbind our delegates at the state conventions."
Monday, April 14, 2008
Comments:
We might have to do this despite Ron Paul.He has to behave to the GOP Party line, we don't.
The proof is you reading the election process. Popular votes in truth dont matter, its the delegates votes that count.
Today in Saint Charles County Missouri, the largest Republican County caucus in the state 111 of a possible 137 Delegates were elected for Ron Paul. The St. Charles Caucus was a landslide turnout for Ron Paul. The Republican Platform was amended to oppose the Patriot Act, The Iraq war, the Federal Reserve, Fiat Currency, the Global American Empire, the income Tax, Estate Tax, McCain Fiengold, the National ID Card, The Real ID Act of 2005 and much much more. This is a prime example.
you do not understand the process. Getting people to cast the vote in states is one thing, but the delegates are what count and they are not necessarily holding allegiance to McCain. Before you laugh, go get an education you silly little man.
its not that we are stealing. Its the election has already been stolen through VOTE RIGGING. Also we don't need to steal the rep seat. McCain has so much dirt on him he will be laughed out of the republican party. John McCain stands about a snow balls chance in hell of winning.
Also there won't be another oportunity to save this country if we don't do something drastic NOW.
LETS DO THIS !!! ITS DO OR DIE TIME. WE MUST NOT ALLOW ANOTHER WARMONGER TO BE PRESIDENT... ALL THE INNOCENT BLOOD WILL BE ON OUR HANDS IF WE FAIL...
Yes we will.You can be sure about that.We will bring down the Neocons.
We are following the rules of the GOP in whatever we do. It's legal and moral by all means.
UTAH CAUCUSES Tuesday March 25th 7pmIf you are a republican in Utah find out where your caucus will be and become a delegate. The vote in Feb did not pick delegates.
I am a Ron Paul Delegate. At my convention there were 20 slots open for delegates. Only 5 people showed up and all were Ron Paul supporters. That gave us all 20 slots because we each get 4 votes at county convention. Thats all it takes people.
We picked up a fair number of county delegates in Kentucky. Let's keep going as hard as we can and see what happens! :)
My friends have plans. My enemies have plans. That's obvious. My friends' plans are loyalty to America and its constitution. On that basis, Paul is the man. My enemies' plan is: discourage people from having HOPE in Paul, so that even though that have faith in America, they will vote a 'lesser of two evils'. That is my ENEMIES' plan, that I should ABANDON HOPE, and vote for the least evil enemy. My answer: No. I will not abandon hope and loyalty, and FOLLOW THE PLAN OF MY ENEMY
No, actually many of the delegates actually can't stand McCain. Fact. they would prefer someone else. McCain has A LOT of enemies in the party.
Freedom is worth the try.
ALL delegates can decide to switch their votes to the only real conservative candidate
We stand a good chance of having RP delegates from Montana dominate our state convention. Romney took the caucus, but now that he's dropped out RP's second place win puts him in first place in Montana. We intend to make RP heard at the convention.
Become a delegate for Ron Paul! It is the only way he will win.
shane - go to the links he said to go to and read them. he is absolutely correct. delegates CONTROL the process.
dr. paul CAN win if all delegates and soon to be delegates know the rnc stuff inside out and roberts rules of order. that's how we win! and we will.
excellent info and educating all now and future delegates we WILL win this!
RON PAUL WILL WIN 2008 presidential! Its up to us.
Agree the delegation process is the key to win the nomination for RP in September.
Get Ron Paul Nominated by:Become a delegate (of Other candidates, or if u r already delegate of other candidates),Vote for Ron Paul in the Convention in November!Because Ron Paul delegates are being restricted to vote!That is how we bypass this type of bias and illegal filtering!Read ronpaulchat(.)net/drpaulwillwin(.)htmlAct now before its too late!
Republican convention is September, not November. Elect delgates for Ron Paul. Any registered voter can be delegate. Pleasse, be a delegate candidate.
ronpaulforumpa.com
Potential candidates should be aware that these pledges have no legal standing and each delegate can vote for whomever they wish. Delegates can also just not go to the convention if they are not happy with the results of the primary. There are alternate delegate positions just to handle that.
ronpaulforums.com
Zera
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Join Date: Feb 2008Posts: 229
Ah... So flooding every county convention would help getting state delegates for Paul... But what about national delegates for the convention?I hope the people don't reveal they're Paul supporters in their speeches. Something like, "I support the GOP platform" or "I just don't want a Democrat in office" would be much better.
Comment from "Rich" on MySpace
John McCain only has 814 delegates committed on the 1st ballot and only 156 more delegate positions remain up for grabs in which 74 will come from Pennsylvania. The Revolution has just begun here in Pennsylvania.
Missourinet: Republicans warn about Ron Paul supporters crashing caucuses
Friday, March 14, 2008, 6:33 PM
By Steve Walsh
Missouri Republicans hold county and local caucuses Saturday - and party leadership is warning about rumors regarding followers of former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul.
Rumors are the Paul followers plan to flood the caucuses and will try to overturn the already established rules regarding how Missouri's delegation will vote at the National Convention in St. Paul this summer. Missouri Republican Party Executive Director Jared Craighead says this is only a rumor, but it's important to get out the word that Missouri's delegates are committed to John McCain.
Craighead says it's unfortunate that there appears to be a campaign underway to give misinformation to those attending caucuses that delegates elected at the congressional district level will be able to change the rules regarding the voting for the presidential nominee. Craighead makes it clear Missouri's delegates are bound to support the winner of the February 5th Presidential Primary - and that was Senator John McCain.
Debbie Hopper at the Philly Rally
"We Only Have One Shot At This!" - Debbie Hopper, RPCC Assistant Campaign Manager
http://www3.webng.com/ronpaul/becomedelegate.html
Debbie Hopper at the Philly Rally
"We Only Have One Shot At This!" - Debbie Hopper, RPCC Assistant Campaign Manager
http://www3.webng.com/ronpaul/becomedelegate.html
Approved by the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee: Jeff Greenspan, Regional Coordinator del.icio.us What is a delegate?
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The only way for Ron Paul to become President is if he gets the GOP nomination; The only way for Ron Paul to get the GOP nomination is if we become delegates. As delegates, we'll be voting to pick the GOP nominee just like the electors in the electoral college vote to pick the President; Delegates determine and decide who the GOP nominee is—it's that critical! There hasn't been a brokered convention for more than 60 years! And the good news is that Ron Paul doesn't have to win a single state to get the GOP nomination; He just needs to win the delegates! So your delegate vote will count that much more; In other words, Ron Paul can secure the GOP nomination with your vote!You typically start at your precinct (district) convention as a delegate and work your way up to state, and finally, the RNC; But it may even be as easy as calling your Secretary of State Elections Division, signing some forms and getting signatures! Ron Paul supporters will walk through rain, snow, ice, fire, hazardous waste for this revolution so performing the aforementioned will be a cakewalk. The GOP nomination will ultimately be decided at the Republican National Convention which will take place in St. Paul, Minnesota. September 1-4, 2008. Please watch the video below and peruse the instructions on how to become a delegate for Ron Paul. Afterwards, get together with your family, friends, local Meetup groups (ronpaul.meetup.com) to discuss and organize how to flood your conventions with Ron Paul delegates.
If we don't become delegates, then Ron Paul will not get the GOP nomination. If Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination, then the Ron Paul Revolution is OVER. Don't let this happen: Become a Delegate!